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Bra Off, Defib On!

Carolyn Port • Jan 25, 2024
This month, I’m all about getting women’s bras off. Yes, it’s a bit chilly for all that, but frankly the person wearing the bra isn’t going to care too much!

Fellow first aid trainer Jenny Legg has launched the #BraOffDefibOn campaign after alarming statistics reveal that women stand a much smaller chance of receiving CPR (women are 27% less likely to have CPR done on them, compared to men), and if a defibrillator is used, their chance of survival is being seriously curtailed because their bra is being left on.

So, why are women not offered the same survival chances as men? There are many reasons, but amongst them are the rescuer worrying about:
  • Being accused of inappropriate behaviour
  • Exposing women’s breasts
  • Breaking ribs
  • Getting it wrong
So, let’s deal with them one by one.  

Being accused of inappropriate behaviour – as a woman I might potentially be on the receiving end of your CPR. I can promise you that at this point in my life, I do not care about anything except your willingness to give me a chance of survival, and your behaviour is far from inappropriate. As a larger lady, there is plenty to concern a potential rescuer about my chest! But when I’m on my back, even when wearing a well-supporting bra, my breasts will move slightly to each side and there will be plenty of space for you to place your hands to give me CPR without accidently brushing my chest – but if you do, I really don’t care. In addition, the Social Action Responsibility and Heroism Act (SARAH Act) 2015 makes provision to protect you in your social responsibility of doing CPR by specifying that a rescuer can assume that an unconscious casualty would give them permission for lifesaving intervention if they were able to do so. Crack on!

Exposing a woman’s breasts – this isn’t necessary for CPR alone, but if you fail to remove my bra when applying defibrillator pads and delivering a shock, there is a much lower chance of the defibrillator delivering a successful outcome. Why? Because pressing the ‘shock’ button sends an electric shock between the two pads with the aim of shocking the heart – but if I’m wearing an underwired bra the electricity will follow the wires rather than travel where it needs to. There will be a pair of tuff cut scissors with the defib – use them to cut off the bra, either down the centre or if necessary at the side (underneath an arm) and move it away from my skin. You don’t need to pull out the back, but make sure the front of the bra isn’t touching me. You might need to gently lift my left breast to position the left defib pad on my side – if necessary, just get on with it. If I don’t get the defib on me in the right position, it won’t have the optimum opportunity to work.

Breaking ribs – you might break my ribs if you do CPR. You do have to push hard and fast, pushing down around 1/3 of my chest wall, so there’s a chance you might break a rib. Broken ribs heal; even if you puncture my lung, it will only matter if I survive, and even then, the medics will sort it out. If you don’t do CPR, I’m not going to survive – how can a broken rib or two be worse than that?

Getting it wrong – see above. I will die if you do nothing, so how can it get any worse if you don’t do it as perfectly as a paramedic? Push hard and fast, twice a second, in the centre of the chest. There’s not a lot that can be wrong with that. You might not succeed in saving me (the statistics are unfortunately against me) but at least you will have given me the best chance. Thank you. 

For more information on the campaign, check out www.braoffdefibon.co.uk and if there’s anything you want to check or if you have any concerns you want to discuss, don’t hesitate to contact me.

All our regulated courses cover CPR and using a defibrillator, and we ALWAYS plead with our learners to take a woman’s bra off!
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Splinters are always a hot topic on first aid courses! Can we pull them out? Why? Why not? Who says? Qualified first aiders can pull splinters out – this is made clear by the HSE (see their MythBuster on splinters in schools at https://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/myth-busting/2014/case299-teachers-removing-childs-splinter.htm) . BUT many schools have a policy that splinters must not be removed. So who is right? A school policy stating that they will not pull out splinters over-rides the HSE position that splinters can be removed, and this is why the myth abounds that first aiders cannot pull out splinters . Why do schools have this in their policy? The most often cited reason is that we shouldn’t pull anything out of a wound in case it is ‘plugging’ a bleed, but in the case of a small splinter this is highly unlikely. Arteries are buried deep beneath the skin’s surface – far beyond the reach of a small splinter. Even though veins are nearer the surface (and can lead to significant bleeds) a splinter would not cause more than a drop of blood to be lost even if it was a very long splinter! Another reason sometimes given is that first aiders cannot ‘dig’ to remove a splinter – and the HSE agree. An embedded splinter with no part exposed to be gripped by tweezers should be left to a parent or guardian to be removed, but this doesn’t stop us removing those which have an exposed section with tweezers. So why SHOULD we pull out splinters? On the flip-side, what happens if you leave a splinter in a child’s skin until home-time? A splinter is usually from something which may well be dirty, for example from a fence, the school playground, field or on a forest school activity which could then lead to infection. In addition, it can be jolly tender if left for a period of time! But we cover it with a plaster – surely this will stop the infection? Covering a splinter with a plaster will merely encourage the infectious cells to reproduce – the infected material is already inside the wound (so a plaster won’t protect from it) and the claggy, moist environment created with a plaster is perfect for the growth and spread of infection. If the splinter has reached a capillary (blood vessel) there is now the potential for a infection through the blood – SEPSIS (you may have heard this referred to in the past as blood poisoning or septicaemia). SEPSIS kills 1,000 people in the UK EVERY WEEK! – more than the top three cancers combined. Leaving the splinter there rather than removing it and flushing the wound out is increasing the chance of sepsis – cuts and wounds are the 4th top cause of sepsis. The longer the splinter remains in the skin, the higher the risk. So, what should we do? My suggestion would be to amend the school policy to something similar to: • ‘we will remove a splinter if the child wishes us to do so, and • there is enough of the splinter exposed to enable it to be gripped by tweezers In the event that splinter is firmly embedded and cannot be gripped by tweezers or the child does not wish us to pull it out we will telephone the parent to inform them that their child has a splinter and request they attend school to remove it.’ Having a stark policy of ‘we do not remove splinters’ cuts off any permission that may be given over the telephone or actions you can take in extenuating circumstances and may be detrimental to the health of the child. What can a parent do that we can’t? The parent can break the skin to remove the splinter, or administer antiseptic cream (which a school cannot do) and cover with a plaster which will help to draw the splinter out. If the splinter is still there at the end of the school day, they could soak the affected area of skin which will help to soften it to squeeze the splinter out. If you would like more help or advice please do contact us at info@winterburytraining.co.uk. You can find out more about sepsis from Sepsis Research (www.sepsisresearch.org.uk) or the Sepsis Trust (www.sepsistrust.org).
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